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15 Points Proving SEC Cannot Win Lawsuit Against Ripple


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John E Deaton founder of gave 15 points proving that Ripple can not lose against SEC.

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John E Deaton in a long thread on Twitter gave 15 points to prove that ripple is not losing against SEC, Here are his points:

“1) On February 8, 2012, jespow& JedMcCaleb received a legal opinion letter from Perkins Coie informing them if they sell #XRP to investors and use the money for operational costs, #XRP will likely be an investment contract aka, a security”

2) After receiving the above legal opinion letter, @chrislarsensf and Jed McCaleb scrap the old business model and instead seek VC funding for business operations. Investors will not receive #XRP, but instead, receive actual shares of stock in the company Ripple.

3) Larsen and McCaleb received a 2nd opinion from Perkins Coie on October 19, 2012. Based on the new business model, they are advised #XRP is most likely NOT a security. The letter hints at risks related to Banking Secrecy Laws and being labeled a Money Services Business.

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4) In 2015 Ripple was sued by FinCEN. Consistent with risks referenced in the legal memo, FinCEN declared a subsidiary of Ripple a Money Service Business and classified #XRP as: “convertible virtual currency.” Ripple settled for $700K and agreed to register sales w/ FinCEN. Pursuant to the terms of the settlement w/ DOJ & FinCEN, Ripple agreed to register sales of #XRP ONLY through FinCEN. The agreement forces Ripple to comply with the Banking Laws of the United States – not securities laws.

5) On June 13, 2018, SEC lawyers write a legal memo analyzing w/r #XRP is a security and it DOES NOT recommend enforcement. Its clear the SEC’s own analysis did not conclude #XRP was a security. One, the SEC would turn the memo over. Two, they would’ve informed Ripple.

6) The June 14, 2018 Hinman Speech. The market absolutely viewed the speech as market guidance. Attorneys Nancy Wojtas & Wendy Moore participated in the SEC meetings and described its impact the best. If your platform is slightly more decentralized than #ETH, you’re free.

In the clip above Wojtas said, “if you can do just a little bit better than #ETH you’re golden.”

Perkins Coie lawyers helped write the Hinman Speech and Wendy Moore, a lawyer from that firm, responded to Wojtas’ comment with:

“Then why isn’t Ripple?”

(Huge evidence)

7) Because Hinman only blessed #BTC & #ETH in his speech, on August 20, 2018, @bgarlinghouse and @JoelKatz met with Clayton and Hinman to discuss #XRP. Brad informed them:

“Ripple is living in purgatory”

over #XRP’s lack of clarity.

8) The next month, September 2018, Garlinghouse met with Commissioner Elad Roisman. During this meeting, not only did Roisman NOT inform Brad that the SEC considered #XRP a security, Roisman made statements that gave Garlinghouse confidence that #XRP WASN’T viewed as a security. Roisman’s lawyer (Estabrook) took notes 📝 during this meeting. Claiming privilege, the SEC refuses to turn over these notes. It should be noted, however, the SEC provided notes of other meetings between Garlinghouse and the SEC. The notes clearly corroborate Brad’s testimony.

9) The January 2019 @coinbase meeting w/ the SEC. Coinbase and its sophisticated securities lawyers informed the SEC they determined today’s XRP not to be a security and intended to list it unless the SEC disagreed. The SEC did not and XRP was listed on Coinbase in February 2019.

10) In June 2019 the SEC allowed Ripple to acquire a 9% stake of @MoneyGram. Ripple filed a notice w/ the SEC informing it about it’s intended use of #XRP and MG. In short, the SEC knew Ripple would transfer #XRP to MG, who would then sell it to retail holders via exchanges.

11) On December 4, 2019 the Financial Stability Oversight Council’s 2019 Annual Report is issued, which classifies #XRP a: “currency.” Clayton, as Chairman of the SEC, voted to approve the report and signed it.

12) In January 2020 & 2021 (after the lawsuit was filed), Bailard Inc., a money manager business and perfect example of what a market participant believed, filed an ethics disclosure w/ the SEC. Bailard assured the SEC it would only trade the cryptos generally accepted by the market and by the SEC as: “currencies not subject to regulation by the SEC.” The generally accepted currencies not regulated by the SEC are:

13) The SEC claims all ongoing sales of #XRP are securities BUT didn’t issue a cease and desist against Co-founder McCaleb who has made over $2.6B in #XRP sales SINCE THE LAWSUIT WAS FILED. McCaleb has made $1B more than the SEC seeks against Ripple!

14) Despite the absurd claim each and every sale of #XRP is illegal, the SEC failed to seek a preliminary injunction. If the SEC truly believed today’s #XRP is a security, would it allow Ripple to engage in ongoing sales of unregistered securities to help pay Ripple’s defense?

15) bgarlinghouse& Ripple executives like @s_alderoty & @JoelKatz met w/ leaders of the SEC including the Chairman, Director of Corporation Finance, Commissioners, and others, multiple times & was NEVER informed XRP was a security except for a meeting just prior to the lawsuit.”

Note: all these 15 points are from John E Deaton’s tweets, you can also read his original Twitter thread here.


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Ammara Mubin is a cryptocurrency reporter and trader with vast experience in the industry. Mubin has written several news stories related to the crypto industry, including non-fungible tokens (NFTs), decentralized finance (DeFi), fundraising, mining, etc. Her major focus is covering regulatory events that are capable of shaping the entire crypto ecosystem.

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